Legislature(2021 - 2022)GRUENBERG 120

02/15/2022 10:00 AM House FISHERIES

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10:02:43 AM Presentation: Disaster Declarations for Alaska Fisheries by Deputy Commissioner Rachel Baker and Dr. Katie Howard, Fisheries Scientist, Alaska Department of Fish and Game
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                       February 15, 2022                                                                                        
                           10:02 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Geran Tarr, Chair                                                                                                
Representative Louise Stutes, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
Representative Andi Story                                                                                                       
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                      
Representative Kevin McCabe                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: DISASTER DECLARATIONS FOR ALASKA FISHERIES BY                                                                     
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER RACHEL BAKER AND DR. KATIE HOWARD~ FISHERIES                                                                
SCIENTIST~ ALASKA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL BAKER, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                               
Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an update on Disaster                                                                          
Declarations for Alaska Fisheries.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DOUG VINCENT-LANG, Commissioner                                                                                                 
Department of Fish and Game                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:       Provided   information   during   the                                                             
presentation on fisheries disasters.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. KATIE HOWARD, Fisheries Scientist                                                                                           
Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented  the  2021  Salmon Stock  Status                                                             
Update.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:02:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GERAN TARR called the  House Special Committee on Fisheries                                                             
meeting to  order at  10:02 a.m.   Representatives  Story, Ortiz,                                                               
Vance,  Kreiss-Tomkins, and  Tarr  were present  at  the call  to                                                               
order.  Representatives McCabe and  Stutes arrived as the meeting                                                               
was in progress.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  Disaster  Declarations  for Alaska  Fisheries  by                                                               
Deputy Commissioner Rachel Baker  and Dr. Katie Howard, Fisheries                                                               
Scientist, Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                                                                   
  PRESENTATION: Disaster Declarations for Alaska Fisheries by                                                               
Deputy Commissioner Rachel Baker and Dr. Katie Howard, Fisheries                                                            
         Scientist, Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
10:02:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR  announced that  the only order  of business  would be                                                               
Presentation:  Disaster  Declarations  for  Alaska  Fisheries  by                                                               
Deputy Commissioner Rachel Baker  and Dr. Katie Howard, Fisheries                                                               
Scientist, Alaska Department of Fish and Game.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:04:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL BAKER, Deputy Commissioner,  Alaska Department of Fish and                                                               
Game, presented  to the House  Special Committee on  Fisheries on                                                               
disaster declarations  for Alaska fisheries.   She explained that                                                               
her role within  the Alaska Department of Fish &  Game (ADF&G) is                                                               
related  to state  and federal  fisheries coordination  primarily                                                               
for  groundfish,   crab,  halibut,   and  scallop   fisheries  in                                                               
conjunction  with the  North Pacific  Fishery Management  Council                                                               
(NPFMC) and  the National Marine  Fisheries Service (NMFS).   She                                                               
noted that the ADF&G commissioner  has a permanent voting seat on                                                               
the  NPFMC,  and she  serves  as  the  primary alternate  in  his                                                               
absence.   She reminded  the committee that  the State  of Alaska                                                               
manages fisheries  within zero to  three miles offshore,  and the                                                               
federal government  manages fisheries  from three to  two hundred                                                               
miles offshore.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER  stated that  the matter  of disaster  declarations was                                                               
particularly  relevant  to  the  State of  Alaska  since  several                                                               
disasters had been declared by the U. S. Secretary of Commerce.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER stated  that fisheries are important to  the state, and                                                               
natural variations occur  with the amounts of  fish harvested and                                                               
associated economic  activity.  She referred  to the presentation                                                               
entitled,  "ADFG  Fishery   Disaster  Presentation  2.15.22.pdf,"                                                               
[included in  the committee packet]  and drew attention  to slide                                                               
2, entitled, "What  is a fishery Disaster,"    and summarized the                                                               
following  bulleted  points,  which  read  as  follows  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ? Fisheries are an essential part of coastal                                                                               
     economies.                                                                                                                 
       Fisheries are dependent  upon the productivity of the                                                                    
     environment.                                                                                                               
     ? Fisheries  are subject to  many factors,  natural and                                                                    
     manmade, which can cause harm or failure.                                                                                  
     ?  Fishery   disaster  declarations  are  a   means  to                                                                    
     financially   assist    individuals   and   communities                                                                    
     experiencing such loss.                                                                                                    
     ? Fishery disaster funds are  also used for research to                                                                    
     determine  the underlying  causes of  the disaster  and                                                                    
     prevent future disasters in the                                                                                            
     fishery.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER stated that two  federal statutes provide the authority                                                               
and  requirements for  fisheries disaster  declarations, and  she                                                               
drew  attention   to  slide  3,  entitled,   "Magnuson-Stevens  &                                                               
Interjurisdictional   Fisheries   Acts,"   and   summarized   the                                                               
following  bulleted  points,  which  read  as  follows  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     • The  Magnuson-Stevens   Fishery  Conservation   and                                                                      
     Management  Act  (MSA)  is  the  primary  U.S.  statute                                                                    
     governing   management   of   fisheries   in   Alaska's                                                                    
     Exclusive Economic  Zone, which is 3-200  miles off the                                                                    
     coast (EEZ).                                                                                                               
     • The Interjurisdictional Fisheries Act (IFA) provides                                                                     
     for grants by  the Secretary of Commerce  to States for                                                                    
     management of interjurisdictional fishery resources.                                                                       
     • The Secretary of Commerce is authorized  under both                                                                      
     Acts to provide assistance.                                                                                                
     • Recent Alaska fishery disaster requests were found to                                                                    
     meet  the requirements  for  fisheries disasters  under                                                                    
     both the MSA and the IFA.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BAKER noted  that  all Alaska  fisheries,  not solely  those                                                               
fisheries   that  are   federally  managed,   are  eligible   for                                                               
assistance under  the disaster declaration  process.   She stated                                                               
that  the most  recent [Alaska]  fisheries disaster  declarations                                                               
were  determined to  have met  the definition  of disaster  under                                                               
both the MSA and the IFA.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:09:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BAKER  explained that  an  affected  fishery participant,  a                                                               
local government,  or a tribal  entity will initiate  the request                                                               
with  a letter  to the  ADF&G.   ADF&G will  then conduct  a data                                                               
assessment to  determine the eligibility  of a fishery  under the                                                               
MSA and the  IFA.  She then drew attention  to slide 4, entitled,                                                               
"Step 1:   Initiating the Request," and  summarized the following                                                               
bulleted  points, which  read  as  follows [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ? Pursuant  to the MSA  and the  IFA, a Governor  of an                                                                    
     affected state, or an  elected or politically appointed                                                                    
     representative  of an  affected  fishing community  may                                                                    
     submit a request to the Secretary of Commerce.                                                                             
     ? The  Secretary may also  initiate a review at  his or                                                                    
     her own discretion.                                                                                                        
     ?  When  a  request  is received,  the  Secretary  will                                                                    
     provide an interim response to the requestor.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER explained  that there exist three  requirements to make                                                               
an  affirmative  declaration  of  disaster  determination:    the                                                               
existence of  a fisheries  resource disaster,  as defined  by the                                                               
MSA  or  the IFA;  the  cause  of the  disaster  must  be for  an                                                               
allowable cause; and [evidence of  negative] economic impact that                                                               
has stemmed from the disaster.   She then drew attention to slide                                                               
5, entitled,  "Step 2:   Evaluating the Request,"  and summarized                                                               
the following  bulleted points, which  read as  follows [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ? The  Secretary will first review  the best scientific                                                                    
     information available.                                                                                                     
     ? The  State of Alaska  works with the  National Marine                                                                    
     Fisheries  Service  (NMFS)  to  provide  all  pertinent                                                                    
     data.                                                                                                                      
     ?  Review may  include  fishery characteristics,  stock                                                                    
     assessment,   estimates  of   mortality,  and   overall                                                                    
     effects in order  to assess the existence  of a fishery                                                                    
     resource disaster and its causes.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER elaborated on the  allowable cause requirement and drew                                                               
attention  to   slide  6,  entitled,  "Evaluating   the  Request:                                                               
Allowable Causes," and summarized  the following bulleted points,                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Allowable causes under the MSA include:                                                                                    
     • Natural causes                                                                                                           
     • Undetermined causes                                                                                                      
     • Man-made causes  beyond  the   control  of  fishery                                                                      
     managers   to   mitigate   through   conservation   and                                                                    
     management measures,  including regulatory restrictions                                                                    
     imposed  to   protect  human   health  or   the  marine                                                                    
     environment.                                                                                                               
     Allowable causes under the IFA include:                                                                                    
     • Natural causes                                                                                                           
     • Undetermined causes                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER  noted that the  recent Alaska fisheries  disasters had                                                               
been  determined to  have occurred  due to  natural causes.   She                                                               
explained that,  while no exact  natural cause for  the disasters                                                               
had been confirmed,  the department found that  marine heat waves                                                               
and warmer ocean conditions in the  Gulf of Alaska and the Bering                                                               
Sea had  existed since 2014  and had  lasted until 2016  or 2017,                                                               
based on research.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:14:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ   asked  whether  the   term  "undetermined                                                               
causes" would be further defined during the presentation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER referred  to a 2018 Gulf of Alaska  pacific cod fishery                                                               
disaster in which  undetermined causes had existed  and which had                                                               
been approved.   She stated that some of the  natural causes that                                                               
had been cited in the  request included ocean warming conditions.                                                               
She stated that the disaster  determination approval letters were                                                               
brief in content.   She stated that  recent disaster declarations                                                               
had  been approved  due to  natural  conditions, including  ocean                                                               
warming.  She stated that  it was unclear what difference existed                                                               
between disasters  that had been declared  under "natural causes"                                                               
and those under "undetermined causes."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:16:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER elaborated  on the third requirement,  the [evidence of                                                               
negative] economic impact that has  stemmed from the disaster, as                                                               
determined by the  NMFS.  She noted that the  criteria were based                                                               
on  data  that shared  overlap  with  the  meeting of  the  other                                                               
requirements and  was mostly  scientific in  nature.   She stated                                                               
that  data that  may  be  used could  include  decline in  [fish]                                                               
landings, and occasionally net revenue  by vessel data.  She drew                                                               
attention  to slide  7,  entitled,  "Consideration of  Commercial                                                               
Fishery   Failure   or   Serious  Disruption   Affecting   Future                                                               
Production," and summarized the  following bulleted points, which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  focus  here  is on  available  socio-cultural  and                                                                    
     economic information to determine  the existence of one                                                                    
     of the above events.  Information may include:                                                                             
     • Fishery characteristics                                                                                                  
     • Economic impact                                                                                                          
     • Number of participants involved                                                                                          
     • Length of time access to resource is restricted                                                                          
     • Documented decline of the resource                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER drew attention to  slide 8, entitled, "Determination of                                                               
a  Commercial  Fishery  Failure," and  summarized  the  following                                                               
bulleted  points, which  read  as  follows [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     If  review of  the  economic information  shows that  a                                                                    
     significant  number   of  participants   have  suffered                                                                    
     revenue  declines  that  greatly affect  or  materially                                                                    
     damage  their businesses,  the commercial  fishery will                                                                    
     be deemed to have failed.                                                                                                  
     The  calculations are  based on  the  loss of  12-month                                                                    
     revenue compared to average annual  revenue in the most                                                                    
     recent 5-year period.                                                                                                      
     The following  thresholds are applied when  making this                                                                    
     determination:                                                                                                             
     • Revenue losses greater than 80 percent will result in                                                                    
     a determination of a failure.                                                                                              
     • Revenue losses between 35 percent and 80 percent are                                                                     
     evaluated further.                                                                                                         
     • Revenue losses of less than 35 percent are generally                                                                     
     not eligible for determination of a failure.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BAKER  stated  that  there   had  been  fisheries  disasters                                                               
declared  in  Alaska  that  had involved  less  than  35  percent                                                               
revenue loss.   She stated  that this demonstrated  that disaster                                                               
declarations  are evaluated  on  a case-by-case  basis, and  that                                                               
subsistence  fisheries including  bartering  and trading  impacts                                                               
were  important   in  Alaska  and   would  also  be   taken  into                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.   BAKER   then  drew   attention   to   slide  9,   entitled,                                                               
"Determination   of    Serious   Disruption    Affecting   Future                                                               
Production," and summarized the  following bulleted points, which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Scientific information may  indicate  a sudden  and                                                                      
     unexpected precipitous decrease  in harvestable biomass                                                                    
     or  spawning stock,  size  which  causes a  significant                                                                    
     number of persons  to lose access to the  fishery for a                                                                    
     substantial period of time, in a specific area.                                                                            
     • The same percentage  thresholds  used  to  evaluate                                                                      
     revenue  losses for  a commercial  fishery failure  are                                                                    
     applied in making this determination.                                                                                      
     • Calculation based  on  the  estimated  decrease  in                                                                      
     harvestable biomass or spawning  stock size of the fish                                                                    
     targeted by the fishery compared  to the most recent 5-                                                                    
     year period.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:21:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER then drew attention to slide 10, entitled, "Step 3:                                                                   
Making a  Determination," and  summarized the  following bulleted                                                               
points, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     ?  The Secretary  will determine  whether the  evidence                                                                    
     supports a positive determination.                                                                                         
     ?   The  requestor   is   notified   of  the   positive                                                                    
     determination.                                                                                                             
     ?  Congress  may  then appropriate  funds  for  fishery                                                                    
     disaster relief.                                                                                                           
     ? There is no standing fund for disaster relief                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER explained that a determination  may take a year or more                                                               
due to  NMFS requirements  that final  revenue data  be reported.                                                               
She  further  explained  that,  in  the  example  of  a  disaster                                                               
declaration  request  in  a  particular   year,  final  data  for                                                               
commercial fishing revenue  data is available during  the fall of                                                               
the previous  year's fishery, if it  had been opened.   She added                                                               
that some cases exist and ADF&G  coordinates with NMFS in which a                                                               
disaster declaration  request had been  made when a  fishery does                                                               
not  open  at  all,  and   revised  final  revenue  data  is  not                                                               
anticipated.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER explained that congress  may appropriate disaster funds                                                               
once  a declaration  had been  approved  by the  secretary.   She                                                               
explained  that the  most recent  approved disaster  declarations                                                               
were  currently awaiting  congressional  appropriation of  relief                                                               
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:24:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY  asked  whether,  when  a  fishery  remains                                                               
closed, whether  the federal government can  make a determination                                                               
with the knowledge that no additional revenue would be reported.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER stated  that there had been  no official determination;                                                               
however,  state   and  federal  officials  understand   [that  no                                                               
additional revenue would be reported] as  in the case of the 2021                                                               
Yukon  River salmon  fishery [disaster  declaration.]   She noted                                                               
that  the  request  had been  reviewed  and  approved  relatively                                                               
quickly and prior to the fall following the season in question.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:25:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ asked whether there  had been an instance in                                                               
which congress had received an  approved disaster declaration and                                                               
elected not to appropriate relief funds.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BAKER offered  to research  Representative Ortiz's  question                                                               
and follow up with an answer.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:26:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR asked  whether, to Ms. Baker's knowledge,  it had been                                                               
considered that [congress] create a  disaster relief fund so that                                                               
appropriation legislation not be required.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BAKER answered  that,  while she  had  familiarity with  the                                                               
question  as  it  had  been  raised, she  was  unable  to  answer                                                               
definitively, and offered  that Alaska's congressional delegation                                                               
could be asked.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:27:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES asked whether  there exists any reason that                                                               
the  Pacific States  Marine Fisheries  Commission (PSMFC)  is the                                                               
entity to  facilitate the distribution  the relief  funds because                                                               
Alaska  is  historically  the  last in  the  country  to  receive                                                               
appropriated disaster relief funds.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER answered  that ADF&G shares the  same frustrations with                                                               
the delays  associated with the  processes managed by  the PSMFC.                                                               
She  stated  that ADF&G  does  not  have adequate  resources  and                                                               
expertise  to  handle  the  administrative  processes  and  funds                                                               
distribution in compliance with  federal requirements.  She added                                                               
that  PSFMC  has   a  working  relationship  with   the  NMFS  to                                                               
facilitate  the federal  grant and  disbursement processes.   She                                                               
stated that  there exist  ongoing attempts  to achieve  a balance                                                               
between  getting  funds to  affected  individuals  as quickly  as                                                               
possible  and maintaining  compliance  with  the federal  program                                                               
requirements.   She added  that there  exist limited  options for                                                               
grants administrators  and, while  PSMFC remains one  option, the                                                               
department  is  seeking  to identify  alternative  administrative                                                               
entities  to  distribute  funds  more  efficiently  for  affected                                                               
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  asked whether  PSMFC was a  private entity                                                               
who receives a percentage of the revenue that it distributes.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BAKER  answered  that  PSMFC  is  one  of  three  interstate                                                               
fisheries  commissions and  she  stated she  was  unsure of  what                                                               
legislation  had  created  such  commissions;  however,  she  did                                                               
confirm  reference to  the commissions  in  the MSA  and, to  her                                                               
understanding,  it  was  not  a   private  entity  but  a  quasi-                                                               
governmental  entity.   She further  added  that the  commissions                                                               
carry out tasks such as  fisheries management data processing and                                                               
electronic monitoring  in addition  to handling  the distribution                                                               
of disaster relief  funds.  She answered that  the commissions do                                                               
recover overhead  [costs] during  the administration  of disaster                                                               
relief  funds distribution  and she  had been  informed that  the                                                               
rates  charged   were  relatively  low  when   charged  to  other                                                               
government agencies.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:31:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KREISS-TOMKINS   echoed  the   concerns   raised                                                               
regarding  the  administrative  ability  and  efficiency  of  the                                                               
PSMFC.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER  next drew  attention to slide  11, entitled,  "Step 4:                                                               
Preparing the Spend Plan," and  summarized the following bulleted                                                               
points, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     ? Once an  allocation is made for  a particular fishery                                                                    
     disaster the Department of Fish  and Game works closely                                                                    
     with affected stakeholders and  requestors to develop a                                                                    
     spend plan.                                                                                                                
     ? The spend plan forms the basis of the federal grant.                                                                     
        The spend  plan should,  to the  extent practicable,                                                                    
     address the cause of the disaster.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER  explained that the  development of the spend  plan and                                                               
the disaster appropriation have two  purposes which are to assist                                                               
and mitigate impacts  to fishery participants, and  to reduce the                                                               
likelihood of future  disasters where possible.   She stated that                                                               
it  had been  a priority  of ADF&G  Commissioner Vincent-Lang  to                                                               
include dedicated research  funding within the spend  plans.  She                                                               
continued by  drawing attention to  slide 12, entitled,  "Step 5:                                                               
Spend  Plan  Approval,"  and summarized  the  following  bulleted                                                               
points, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Recent  Alaska   fishery  disaster  spend   plans  have                                                                    
     provided  direct payments  to fishery  participants and                                                                    
     funds for research.                                                                                                        
       The  Department of  Fish and  Game submits  the final                                                                    
     spend plan  which must be  approved by NMFS,  NOAA, the                                                                    
     Department of  Commerce and the  White House  Office of                                                                    
     Management and Budget.                                                                                                     
     ?  Once approval  is received  the grant  administrator                                                                    
     can begin  drafting applications, open  the application                                                                    
     period,  and perform  final audit  before payments  are                                                                    
     made.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER  added that there exist  no timelines in place  for the                                                               
approvals  described, and  that  delays in  processing have  been                                                               
identified during the spend plan approval phase.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:34:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER, in  closing the presentation, drew  attention to slide                                                               
13  entitled,  "Alaska  Fishery   Disasters"  on  which  a  chart                                                               
depicted the current fisheries  disaster declarations in process.                                                               
She summarized the overview and  stated that readers of the chart                                                               
should ascertain  that the process  takes approximately  one year                                                               
to  achieve a  determination of  disaster.   She  noted that  the                                                               
funds distribution  in process  depicted on  the chart  from 2018                                                               
represents a typical timeline for the process.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:38:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ asked  how  long the  disaster program  had                                                               
been in existence.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER answered  that Alaska had been engaged  in the disaster                                                               
declaration  program dating  back to  at least  1995.   She noted                                                               
that  the MSA  was  enacted  in 1979,  but  that  she was  unsure                                                               
whether the  disaster program had  been included in  the original                                                               
MSA.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  asked whether  the frequency and  volume of                                                               
disasters had existed throughout the program's known history.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BAKER  stated  that,  since  2008    2009,  the  volume  and                                                               
frequency of disasters had increased throughout the U.S.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ asked  whether  the increase  in volume  of                                                               
disasters was  cause for  concern for  management to  the maximum                                                               
sustainable yield,  and concern  for the economic  and ecological                                                               
impacts from disasters.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BAKER stated  that it  was unclear  whether the  increase in                                                               
disaster declarations was due to  more disasters occurring or due                                                               
to more utilization of the  federal disaster relief program.  She                                                               
added  that the  governor's request  for declaration  of disaster                                                               
dated March  8, 2021, had acknowledged  that warming temperatures                                                               
had been recorded in the Bering  Sea and Gulf of Alaska which may                                                               
be cause for concern.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:41:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  asked whether  there had been  any argument                                                               
made that  research and prevention  could be more  beneficial and                                                               
cost effective to prevent disasters from occurring.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER  stated that  she had  heard indirectly  of suggestions                                                               
such as  Representative Ortiz suggested were  being discussed and                                                               
she  postulated that  there may  be  pending federal  legislation                                                               
that might address it.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:43:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DOUG  VINCENT-LANG, Commissioner,  Department of  Fish and  Game,                                                               
added  that   oceanographic  condition  changes  and   that  some                                                               
resources from  disaster relief funds were  dedicated to research                                                               
and data  collection to  determine the causes  of disasters.   He                                                               
stated that there were budget  requests before the legislature to                                                               
fund marine science programs as well.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:44:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR  asked how  the budget  for research  allocations from                                                               
disaster funds  were determined  and what  level of  autonomy the                                                               
department has in that determination.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VINCENT-LANG  explained  that,  once  a  disaster  has  been                                                               
declared, a  spend plan is  developed that includes  public input                                                               
and which is subject to NMFS review.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE expressed  that she  had the  same question                                                               
regarding  research in  spend plans  as had  been posed  by Chair                                                               
Tarr  and   encouraged  transparency  for  fishers   affected  by                                                               
disasters.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR asked whether there  had been any discussion regarding                                                               
a  state  disaster   fund  for  fisheries  such   as  exists  for                                                               
scholarships  and  fire suppression  and  whether  that might  be                                                               
possible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VINCENT-LANG  postulated  that   establishment  of  a  state                                                               
disaster fund program  may be possible, and  it would necessarily                                                               
consist of federal disaster funds.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:48:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE  asked  whether  it could  be  possible  to                                                               
manage  distribution  of  federal disaster  funds  within  Alaska                                                               
government   to  expedite   the   distribution   of  funds   more                                                               
effectively than had been taking place with PSMFC.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.   VINCENT-LANG  stated   that,   should   PSMFC  remain   the                                                               
administrator  of disaster  funds  for  Alaska, additional  PSMFC                                                               
resources be  devoted to streamline  its process.  He  added that                                                               
there had  been some inquiry  on whether it would  be appropriate                                                               
for the Department of Commerce,  Community & Economic Development                                                               
to  be  the   administrator  and  the  matter   was  still  under                                                               
discussion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  asked the  reason for the  six-month public                                                               
process for  the development of  the spend plan and  whether that                                                               
process could be expedited.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VINCENT-LANG noted  that disaster  declarations may  be made                                                               
while fishing season is in  progress and stated that attempts are                                                               
made  to balance  public input  with expediency.   He  stated his                                                               
belief that public input is  important to the process despite the                                                               
department  being allowed  to develop  a  spend plan  internally,                                                               
without public input                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR  referred to  slide 13 and  asked whether  spend plans                                                               
were available online.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BAKER  answered  yes  and  offered to  follow  up  with  the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:53:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS asked  for further  explanation of                                                               
Section 312 and  the review process, as it had  been raised as an                                                               
area of concern with the process.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. BAKER explained  that Section 312 of the  MSA establishes the                                                               
requirements to qualify for a declaration of fishery disaster.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES expressed her  hope that in future disaster                                                               
situations that ADF&G would advocate  for finding an agency other                                                               
than the PSMFC to administer the funding.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR directed attention to  the next presentation [included                                                               
in  the  committee  packet] entitled,  "ADFG  2021  Salmon  Stock                                                               
Status  Update 2.15.22.pdf,"  and invited  the next  presenter to                                                               
begin.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:56:21 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. KATIE HOWARD, Fisheries Scientist,  Alaska Department of Fish                                                               
and  Game, drew  attention to  slide  2 of  the presentation  and                                                               
noted that  2021 had produced  record salmon runs and  shared the                                                               
information  on   slide  3,  which  read   as  follows  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      Reports of salmon getting smaller and/or younger as                                                                       
     returning adults                                                                                                           
     ? Kuskokwim River  Historical                                                                                              
     Chinook salmon runs mostly                                                                                                 
     age 5 and 6, but now seeing                                                                                                
     runs mostly aged 4 and 5                                                                                                   
     ? Norton Sound  record low                                                                                                 
     size for chum and coho                                                                                                     
     ? Yukon River  record low                                                                                                  
     size of chum                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD  then shared  the  content  on  slide 4,  which  read                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2021 Chinook Salmon                                                                                                        
     ? Below average to poor                                                                                                    
     statewide                                                                                                                  
     ? A few stocks have shown                                                                                                  
     improvements in                                                                                                            
     escapement from prior                                                                                                      
     years  Unuk, Situk, Chilkat                                                                                                
     rivers in SEAK                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD then shared the content on slide 5, which read                                                                       
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2021 Chum Salmon                                                                                                           
     ? Average to poor runs                                                                                                     
     statewide                                                                                                                  
     ? Record low runs in Western                                                                                               
     Alaska                                                                                                                     
     ? Below average runs in SEAK                                                                                               
     and Kodiak                                                                                                                 
     ? Above average runs South                                                                                                 
     Alaska Peninsula                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD then shared the content on slide 6, which read                                                                       
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2021 Coho Salmon                                                                                                           
     ? Below average to poor for                                                                                                
     much of state                                                                                                              
     ? Particularly poor in Western                                                                                             
     Alaska                                                                                                                     
     ? Western Gulf of Alaska runs                                                                                              
     were late and above average                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD then shared the content on slide 7, which read                                                                       
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2021 Pink Salmon                                                                                                           
     ? Generally good abundance                                                                                                 
     statewide                                                                                                                  
     ? SEAK commercial pink                                                                                                     
     harvest exceeded preseason                                                                                                 
     forecast                                                                                                                   
     ? 3rd largest harvest of odd                                                                                               
     year run in PWS                                                                                                            
     ? Western Gulf of Alaska and                                                                                               
     Bering Sea commercial                                                                                                      
     harvests average to above                                                                                                  
     average                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD  then shared  the  content  on  slide 8,  which  read                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2021 Sockeye Salmon                                                                                                        
     ? Generally good abundance                                                                                                 
     statewide                                                                                                                  
     ? Average commercial                                                                                                       
     harvests in SEAK                                                                                                           
     ? Above average commercial                                                                                                 
     harvests in central and                                                                                                    
     western Gulf of Alaska                                                                                                     
     ? Above average to record                                                                                                  
     harvests in Western Alaska                                                                                                 
     ? Chignik stocks weak                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD drew attention to slide 9 and explained that the                                                                     
graph depicted escapement goals for all species statewide                                                                       
from 2001-2021.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD then  shared  the  content on  slide  10, which  read                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Salmon Ocean Ecology Program (SOEP)                                                                                        
     Who We Are:                                                                                                                
     ? Initiated over 1 year ago                                                                                                
     ? Statewide Fisheries Scientist, AYK Marine Biologist,                                                                     
     Statewide Fishery Biologist 2                                                                                              
     What We Do:                                                                                                                
     ? Understand the marine life of Alaskan salmon                                                                             
      ? Use this information to assist fishery management                                                                       
     decision making                                                                                                            
      ? Answer pressing questions about what drives salmon                                                                      
     population dynamics                                                                                                        
     How We Do It:                                                                                                              
     ? Build capacity and collaborations                                                                                        
     ? Support marine research programs                                                                                         
     ? Work to fill knowledge gaps                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD  explained  that  the  SOEP  increased  the  research                                                               
capacity at the  department to focus on marine  salmon issues and                                                               
that the  program works with  other agencies including  NOAA, the                                                               
United    States    Geological   Service    (USGS),    non-profit                                                               
organizations, and international  organizations to understand the                                                               
marine life of Alaskan salmon.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR  asked whether  Dr. Howard  was the  statewide fishery                                                               
biologist and asked what the "AYK" acronym represented.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD answered  that she was the statewide  biologist of the                                                               
program, and  that the acronym  was "Arctic Yukon  Kuskokwim" and                                                               
was a research region included in the program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
11:03:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  then shared the  content on slide 11,  entitled, "How                                                               
We Do It,"  and explained that the contents of  the slide provide                                                               
information  on two  major research  projects  to understand  the                                                               
marine life  of salmon stocks with  a focus on the  juvenile life                                                               
stage.   She noted that  both surveys provide new  information on                                                               
early  marine  ecology of  juvenile  salmon  and vital  ecosystem                                                               
data.    She  then  read  from the  slide  as  follows  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     How We Do It                                                                                                               
     Northern Bering Sea Ecosystem Survey                                                                                       
     (NBS; NOAA and ADF&G):                                                                                                     
        ? Assesses juvenile Yukon River and Norton Sound                                                                        
     salmon stocks since 2002.                                                                                                  
      ? Forecast Yukon River Chinook salmon (3- years) and                                                                      
      pink salmon (next year). Efforts underway to create                                                                       
     similar forecasts for chum salmon.                                                                                         
     Southeast Alaska Ecosystem Monitoring                                                                                      
     (SECM; NOAA & ADF&G)                                                                                                       
     ? Assesses juvenile Southeast Alaska salmon                                                                                
     stocks since 1997.                                                                                                         
        ? Forecast SEAK pink salmon. Efforts underway to                                                                        
     create similar forecasts for other species.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  drew attention  to slide 12  and explained  that both                                                               
surveys accomplish three goals:   long-term monitoring of Alaskan                                                               
salmon at  sea, identify survival bottlenecks  that affect future                                                               
run  sizes, and  forecast run  sizes  from 1  to 3  years in  the                                                               
future.   She stated that  there exists clear evidence  that, for                                                               
chinook salmon in the Northern Bering  Sea and for pink salmon in                                                               
the Northern Bering  Sea and in Southeast,  all factors affecting                                                               
salmon positively  or negatively  occurs very  early in  its life                                                               
cycle, prior to its first winter at sea.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:06:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD shared  that other projects include  a Southern Bering                                                               
Sea  survey  of juvenile  chinook  from  the Kuskokwim  River  in                                                               
Bristol  Bay and  that  additional funding  was  being sought  to                                                               
continue that work.  She  stated that salmon sharks, known salmon                                                               
predators, were caught  during survey work, and  were fitted with                                                               
satellite and data archival tags to assess migration patterns.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD directed  attention to slide 14 and  explained that it                                                               
contained  information  on  new collaborations  for  which  grant                                                               
funding was being sought to fill  information gaps of the life of                                                               
salmon at sea.  She stated  that partner agencies were experts in                                                               
marine food webs  and how species interact  to further understand                                                               
the role of  competition [for food sources]  and changing stocks.                                                               
She   explained  that   the   Yukon   River  Drainage   Fisheries                                                               
Association (YRDFA) was aiding in  the engagement of local people                                                               
with historical  knowledge of  the area.   She added  that salmon                                                               
bone studies  were being conducted  and were  more cost-effective                                                               
in supplying some of the data than the larger surveys.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  drew attention to slide  15 and noted that  there was                                                               
an FY  22 supplemental  capital funding  request to  continue the                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:10:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR  referred to  slide 14 and  asked whether  the vessels                                                               
depicted  on  the bottom  left  of  the  slide were  the  vessels                                                               
participating in the International Year of the Salmon.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  answered that  they are the  vessels engaged  in that                                                               
research and  she was to travel  to join the research  group in a                                                               
matter of days.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR  asked Dr.  Howard to share  what types  of activities                                                               
she would be doing at sea.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD shared  that the  survey was  an ecosystem  survey to                                                               
understand where  salmon are,  the condition  of the  salmon, how                                                               
salmon  overlap  with  other  species   across  the  whole  North                                                               
Pacific.    She explained  that  samples  will be  collected  for                                                               
laboratory analysis  to determine which genetic  stocks are found                                                               
in what location(s),  odelith studies, and overall  health of the                                                               
North Pacific Ocean analyses.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  asked  whether   the  research  would  be                                                               
working in collaboration with some Russian [research] vessels.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  affirmed that  Russia was  involved in  the research,                                                               
along with  Canada, other U.  S. states, Japan, and  the Republic                                                               
of Korea.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
11:13:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ asked  for  additional  information on  new                                                               
findings regarding the first year of salmon survivability.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD stated  that there exists a clear  indication that run                                                               
size  is correlated  with  the  first year  of  life for  chinook                                                               
salmon  from the  Yukon  River  and pink  salmon  from the  North                                                               
Bering Sea  and Southeast.   She stated that western  Alaska chum                                                               
salmon had  experienced a precipitous  decline beginning  in 2020                                                               
and [similar declines]  had been observed in Japan  and Canada as                                                               
well.  She hypothesized that ocean  heat waves in 2014   2016 and                                                               
in 2019  may have contributed  to the  decline and was  among the                                                               
factors in the ongoing research that is being examined.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR noted that, as  depicted in the presentation, chinook,                                                               
chum and  coho species  had had  lower performance  while sockeye                                                               
and pink had performed better.   She asked whether the trends are                                                               
reflected in the research that is being conducted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  she agreed  with the  correlation suggested  by Chair                                                               
Tarr  and added  that  factors exist  consistently and  occurring                                                               
over a broad [geographic] area.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:18:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR asked whether Dr.  Howard held the expert opinion that                                                               
there  may exist  a  "perfect storm"  set  of circumstances,  and                                                               
whether she could summarize her opinion.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD  offered  that  the recent  marine  heat  waves  were                                                               
different than those  recorded in the past.  She  stated that the                                                               
intensity,  duration, and  large geographic  occurrence resulting                                                               
in the effects of heatwaves  carrying on longer, often for years.                                                               
She noted that,  though no heatwave was  currently observed, some                                                               
of the effects of the previous heatwaves were still present.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   TARR  asked   whether,   in  addition   to  the   capital                                                               
supplemental  request,  there  was  other  information  that  the                                                               
presenters wished to share with the committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. VINCENT-LANG  answered that, in addition  to the supplemental                                                               
request,  there  were  other requests  that  would  fund  genetic                                                               
research and research that would take place in the Arctic Ocean.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:23:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on Fisheries meeting was adjourned at 11:23                                                                   
a.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
ADFG Fishery Disaster Presentation 2.15.22.pdf HFSH 2/15/2022 10:00:00 AM
Fisheries Disaster Declarations
ADFG 2021 Salmon Stock Status Update 2.15.22.pdf HFSH 2/15/2022 10:00:00 AM
Salmon Stock Status